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Postby Fonty » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:14 pm

Someone mentioned the need for all intelligent people voting to get the most informed result. Intelligent people don't need to be forced to do anything, and may well resent that force being applied to them. It's the sheep that keep the major parties in office that's why our system is compulsory. They're afraid to change it and show how many Australians wouldn't be bothered going out to vote for their pathetic political parties. They want their artificial 51% mandate to govern how they see fit.

And there's also the issue of having a vote for a lesser party still ending up with one of the major parties. All choice is gone out the window and the major parties just use the system for their own gain. We may well be a lucky country in that we have no violent political changeovers but any suggestion we've got a real choice or any power to change things to any significant degree come election time is just living in a dreamland. In my opinion. 8)
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Postby Komodo » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:50 pm

Yeah but voting for a minor party affect policies that the majors want to pass. if the minors dont agree they can keep it from passing even though there prefferential went to the governing party.

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Postby Fonty » Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:20 pm

That's debatable. What it boils down to is that more often than not the minor parties will put preferentials to the most sucky major party around polling time. Politics is politics and once they have their mandate they act accordingly. John Howard is a prime example of that, as was Jeff Kennett here in Melbourne not so long ago.

What it boils down to is the power the vote is supposed to have and the choice associated with is a virtually nonexistent. No matter how desirable a minor party looks to me knowing my vote will ultimately end up in the hands of a major party is something that I find intolerable. I am forced to enter the polling booth and if I do vote I'm forced to vote to put a major party in office. The system is flawed and geared to keep in office those already there, and we are supposed to ignore that and pretend we have our freedom of democratic choice. To me there is no choice and I use my priviledge appropriately.
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Postby Komodo » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:35 pm

Of course a major party will end up leading the country. They have the number and financial backing to suit their campaining and research.

Independants will normally back a major party by preferences but they will have clauses with them in there agreements ie we will support your party because of x, y, z but in order for us to let a,b,c pass through you must make sure xyz happens and that this about a & b must include/exclude this, that & the other.

No party will suit any of us 100% - hell even there own party members disagree amoungst themselves on certain issues. But at the end of the day who really wants to be sitting in the hot seat? what we know on 99% of issues is all propergander (sp?) be it for or against political decisions.

Advice is just that advice - one person / groups perception. Basically we all know that nearly every parlimentry decision is based on media attention to a subject and on advice from independant and government advisiors.
And at the end of the day hind sight is a wonderful thing and I think there are more than a handful of politicians who will go to their grave regretting a decision or two in their career.

None of us know everything that goes on in parliment and whilst I definately believe there is a lot of monkeying around and buck passing. there is also a lot of issues and decisions made that you nor I would want to have to make that will affect the direction of our country in coming days / weeks / months/ years / decades etc.

So who do you blame? government, personal agenda, media, public pressure.

Sure there have been some bloody terrible decisions made by parliment. but theres been some good ones too - but do we notice?

How much affect have independants had on government over the last term? who knows we may never know. Unless you have a particular interest in a topic ie the RU-486 debate, the Telstra sale etc. you wont know what affect independants have on the outcome of any decision.

Local council voting however - that should be abolished!

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Postby Derek Bullock » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:57 pm

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Postby Ozzycamperboy » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:36 pm

derek, reckon you could resize the propaganda campaign? Its annoying for those of us who are stuck with 17" screens :lol:
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Postby Derek Bullock » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:43 pm

Unfortunately they are direct links to their website so makes it a bit difficuly. Thats the last one.

By the way makes no difference on a 19 inch screen. :grin:
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Postby Fonty » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:30 pm

still only half fills the screen with 22 inches ::() :armsup
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Postby Scolers » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:56 am

Komodo wrote:Of course a major party will end up leading the country. :)


Nup ... The German Greens ran the country for a few years in the late 90's (I think). No-one had enough votes to form govt. so the Greens and another party (I think it was the Socialist Democrats but will stand corrected) formed government.

I beleive you'll see a lot more of this happening as minority parties become more popular. That said, ya gotta ask what happened to the Aussie Deomocrats ... :shock:

Let's get to page 3 so we can get away from that f*ck*n oversized image ...

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Postby Ozzycamperboy » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:38 pm

Scolers wrote:Let's get to page 3 so we can get away from that f*ck*n oversized image ...

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Postby Scolers » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:59 am

I've got a laptop ... 15" screen ... I can't even read the poster properly becuase of it's size so gave up. I'm so tenacious!

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Postby Fonty » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:28 am

It's like one of those pictures you have to find 8 horses in. It helps if you can stand 20 feet back, close one eye and stand on one foot.
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Postby Scolers » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:42 am

Maybe that's what derek is trying to imply ... politician's have one eye shut to the needs of the population?

Thanks for getting rid of the poster derek ... :?#

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Postby SMP » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:05 pm

Fonty, what I mean by the "intelligent people voting" simply is that if people vote for the most charismatic candidate (as the bulk of voters do) rather best policies then who knows what sort of government we would end up with. A Current Affair is voted the best and most watched TV show in Australia each year. See what I mean. You can't credit all voters with having made an informed, considered descision as you may. What would happen to the poulation if thinking people stopped procreating due to having made a descision about the appropraeness of bringing chidren into this world. It would only leave the rest. As for minor parties, although I have not voted for either of the major parties for years, hoping to get some M.P's in a position to influence a descision, I'm not convinced they are not to radical to be able to run the country without detrement to the economy, even though I think it's over heated at the moment.
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Postby Fonty » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:07 pm

Depends on radical in what way. I think we are doing nasty things to our environment so a bit of radical response, extreme backpedalling and putting a lot of resources into creating a truly sustainable civilisation would be a good thing. My vote would go to such a party, but not if my vote is going to be stolen by another party that I wouldn't trust to govern my street let alone the country. :grin:

I think it is less intelligence that's the issue and more a case of people wanting to remain in their comfort zone. I personally don't give a damn about the economy if maintaining it is destroying our planet. I think it comes down to what our priorities should be as a country and as a planet, not what is most important to each individual and how deep and full he expects his pocket to be after the election. But that's all the politicians want, keep the sheep wanting to stay in their comfort zones and for those who want a bit more promise them what public opinion says will win you the election this time.

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