Spinifex Gladstone

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Re: Spinifex Gladstone

Postby Beau » Sun May 24, 2009 10:52 pm

I think time will tell in all things, I have a cheap dome that is at least 12 yrs old, granted I have only used it only once per year. but it has not worn much at all.

The last shelter I bought was a denim Lavu from the US a few years ago. It was cheap at 269 US considering the exchane rate at the time. And I dare say it will be with me till my end days.

Put it this way 230 for one tent that can be replaced 5 times if needed at the same or cheaper price, compared to a 1000 tent that may last less time than the 5 replacements over a lifetime. I know what I choose and it is what I am comfortable with.

Actually I still have a 10 dollar A frame that is still going strong from my scouting days.

Editing to add in, if you are really worried about the tent pegs ( and most stock standard that come with tents are very flimsey ) a star picket that has been cut up into 7 inch lengths is fantastic and all you should ever need. apart from that long sand pegs, or even better home made sand buckets are worth wile if sand camping.
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Re: Spinifex Gladstone

Postby CampGrrlz » Mon May 25, 2009 12:28 pm

Beau wrote:... 230 for one tent that can be replaced 5 times... and most stock standard that come with tents are very flimsey...

The discussion about cheap vs expensive might be a tad difficult to resolve - there's no one 'right' solution.

From our perspective, at ages 66 and 74, buying something reputed to last for 20-30 years is not high on our list of priorities ;) But what is on our list, is a tent which is robust enough to stand some heavy weather - not what we've had here in south-east Queensland for the last week - but the inevitable thunder storm/rain/wind which you cannot just pack up and go for. Just something well made enough for the seams not to leak or rip, ditto zips. What we have got is as yet untried in the field so whether we made the right decision for us remains to be seen.

The pegs are a joke or seem so in the light of the very robust pegs we had as youngsters - in the days of 12ft x 12ft canvas marquees. We've bought ourselves some Australian-made pegs from a "no name" camping/disposals shop in Kippa-Ring (Redcliffe), they are quite long and around $1 to $2 each, very competative with the imported pegs the franchises sell. We've kept the supplied pegs for the intermediate peg-down points of our canvas tour tent.

Finding a lever-type peg remover ... now that is the trick. BCF are supposedly the only suppliers but they didn't bother themselves to respond to the email enquiry I sent some weeks ago. Anyone know where I can buy one? We've the Coleman Whacker-thingy which is OK but not as ergonomic as I'd like.

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Re: Spinifex Gladstone

Postby markcrook » Mon May 25, 2009 1:41 pm

Cheap v expensive - buy the best you can afford at the time. Our camper trailer is probably one of the cheapest - but more than does the job - at some point in the future we will probably get a more expensive one with added extras. But as somebody has already said just get out there and enjoy it.

I have always used the guys, even with dome tents, both here and the uk I have seen tents blown away, ripped, poles broken and in the morning waking up with sites wrecked and people in their cars!

For my own piece of mind I have always used the guys. The camper trailer doesn't need them - I have lots in a bag in the tool box but so far have only guyed the awning! Even when it got windy the rest of the tent didn't move! In the Uk we had rock pegs and were recomended these http://www.deltagroundanchors.co.uk/

I should get some sand pegs as the usual mettle ones just dont hold, we have a long handles peg puller like in the picture - pretty sure I got it from BCF. Also attached a picture of the delta ground anchor
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Re: Spinifex Gladstone

Postby markcrook » Mon May 25, 2009 1:53 pm

CampGrrlz wrote:Finding a lever-type peg remover ... now that is the trick. BCF are supposedly the only suppliers but they didn't bother themselves to respond to the email enquiry I sent some weeks ago. Anyone know where I can buy one? We've the Coleman Whacker-thingy which is OK but not as ergonomic as I'd like.

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Elaine found this on ebay - http://cgi.ebay.com.au/tent-peg-puller- ... .m20.l1116
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was - Re: Spinifex Gladstone - now - tent stuff on eBay

Postby CampGrrlz » Mon May 25, 2009 6:17 pm

markcrook wrote:...found this on ebay...

:grin: Whatta guy! The last place I thought to look for a lever-type tent-peg puller and both of us do a bit of selling and a lot of our buying on eBay :oops: it's generally the first place we look. Anyway ... it's just the ticket and I found something else from the same seller. Just waiting for a postage quote. Thanks Mark :grin: - Elaine
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Re: Spinifex Gladstone

Postby understarryskies » Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:18 am

Hi all,

I have to say I agree with Campguy here - reading the advice re. not using guyropes on tent made me cringe - sorry!

I too work in a camping store (and I am an experienced camper as well, although working full time in retail can make it difficult to get as much time in the bush as I would like :lol: ) - I've been in the industry for close to 10 years (and a camper my whole life!) and I manage a store for an independent chain. We have a manufacturing and repairs facility as part of our business and the amount of tents I see week in week out that are destroyed due to the guy ropes not being used is just phenomenal.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule in everything and some people will be lucky enough to camp for years and never even break a pole. I personally used to have a couple of good quality dome tents that lasted for a good 15 years regular use and saw some pretty severe storms without a hitch.

Unfortunately, in this day and age, not everything is made to last, and most items are made to a price. Most manufacturers will cut corners where they can - this is a fact of life... If they can get away with using slightly thinner poles they will - the guy ropes are there, in part to compensate for this.

The guy ropes on a tent are designed to support and add stability to the frame. They help to prevent pooling of water under heavy rains, the weight of which can otherwise cause damage to your tent, and they support the frame in winds. There are very few tents on the market that are designed to be set up without guy ropes (external frame canvas cabin tents & canvas, sprung-steel frame domes are a couple that do not require guy ropes)

Most tent warranties do specify that they will be null and void if the guy ropes are not used - it is fairly easy for an experienced tent sales or repair agent to pick if the guy ropes have been used or not, and tent wholesalers are generally quite tough on this point. We can tell by the way a pole breaks, wether it is from excess stress or wether it is a manufacturing fault.

Most of the time the damage is minimal - i.e. a broken pole or two, easily fixed, but around 20-30% of the tents we see that have not been guy roped have more severe & expensive damages such as large tears where the fibreglass poles have snapped and torn through the fly of the tent.

One of the most important things we stress to all our tent customers is that they should use the guy ropes at all times. After all, if you are buying a good quality tent then you probably want to ensure it stays in good condition for years of use, and if you go for the budget end of the market, then I would advise that using the ropes is vital to support the structure of your tent.

Also - the bigger the tent, the more important it gets to use all those ropes... A large tent can catch a lot of wind and act just like a sail.

P.S. I saw a comment on this thread from Derek about staff at camping stores giving bad advice. Unfortunately this is often the case - the amount of mis-information handed out is scary. You have a better chance of recieving the right information if you visit the specialist retailers rather than the department store type places. Specialists generally pride themselves on giving the right advice and selling quality branded product that they believe in, rather than flogging their own cheap imports at any cost. Just my 2 cents worth...

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Re: Spinifex Gladstone

Postby GypsyLady » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:33 am

understarryskies wrote:
Unfortunately, in this day and age, not everything is made to last, and most items are made to a price. Most manufacturers will cut corners where they can - this is a fact of life...


Ain't this the truth!!!

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